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Steve Stallings · Post by **Steve Stallings** » 4 Oct 2002 4:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>When I was in the Air Force, I shot down three Viet Cong Mig-21 fighters, I didn't get credit for it though because it was in 1983 and the war had been over for 10 years.
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Simply Unbelievable.

Steve Stallings
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USA Retired

23 years active duty, one tour RVN as combat medic.

Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 5:40 am

It gets old but...

...but you can't know those things, Frank.

Nope, not trying to judge your character, but obviously you are judging mine as always attempt to do when you are losing the debate.

On this board, I've never attacked an INNOCENT bystander and that's ALL THERE IS TO IT!

I guess that goes back to how one defines innocent.

Everytime you see someone with an axe to grind (with me) it's because they dulled that same axe trying to do battle w/me.

Sorry, but you have overestimated your effectiveness in addition to your intellect. That is known as intellectual idolatry.

Ego or plain humble truth?

It is safe to say that you have plenty of ego.

Jody, I guess if one writes something you do not like especially in regards to you, then they are not a good person. Think about it. You are better than that.
[This message was edited by Frank Estes on 04 October 2002 at 06:43 AM.]

Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 5:42 am

I had to correct the spelling of the previous post just in case the Grammar/Spelling Grandma was in the house!

Marty Pollard · Post by **Marty Pollard** » 4 Oct 2002 6:20 am

Frank, you absolutely MUST look in the mirror.

An unexamined life is not worth living.

Of all the people here, you're the only one for whom I truly feel sorry. Every one else, no matter their handicap, seems able to grapple with the issue at hand (whatever it may be); you seem to dwell in some life of the psyche that's inaccessible to others. It's not just sad, it's disturbing.

Good luck Frank, I hope things get better for you.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Oct 2002 6:55 am

If you two guys knew each other well, you'd both be rolling on the floor laughing together. Don't let the forum get you at each others throat's.
Steve, I only missed it by 10 lousy years,why can't they give me just a little credit? The military is getting pretty funny about timing. You do when they tell you to and your a hero, do it 10 years later and you get a $30.00 fine and you have to pay for the bullits.
Frank, notice how I never "hump" the stars legs, just the "under dogs". I'm not much of a "star kinda'guy". The stars always have a lot of friends,although most of them are shallow, misguided,looking for a leader and someone to choose up sides with.
This is why I always liked you. You never let a players great recording career(PF) or a players kudos ever keep you from delivering your rath. Yep, you are intimidated by no one. I like this about you.

Wayne Cox · Post by **Wayne Cox** » 4 Oct 2002 7:56 am

Marty, I listened...nowwww I know what a "Gog" is!~~~Just joking! I really wish MY living room sounded that good! Keep up the good work!

W.C.

Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 8:28 am

As Marty tries any tactic to try to win...

Frank, you absolutely MUST look in the mirror. An unexamined life is not worth living.

You don't know that at all and such an empty and uninformed charge does not discredit. It is just a desperate attempt to win a debate.

Of all the people here, you're the only one for whom I truly feel sorry.

Your pity cannot be spent at the store or make me a better player, so don't waste it.

Every one else, no matter their handicap, seems able to grapple with the issue at hand (whatever it may be); you seem to dwell in some life of the psyche that's inaccessible to others. It's not just sad, it's disturbing.

Just more self-righteous, attempt-at-elitism gibberish, that's what's TRULY sad.

Good luck Frank, I hope things get better for you.

Sorry, I don't believe in luck and I highly doubt you would genuinely wish me well.

Notice that in Marty's desperation, he tried to use the "respect your elders" argument to discredit or silence me. He conveniently forgets that we are equals on this Forum and I know that since you are older than I am, that you would like for me to defer to your self-acclaimed "wisdom" and never disagree with you. Dream on pal! Age does not always equate to wisdom.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 4 Oct 2002 8:38 am

Another one bites the dust. Marty, is it really your intent to drive members from the Forum? I don't appreciate it at all.

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Ray Jenkins · Post by **Ray Jenkins** » 4 Oct 2002 8:38 am

Here you all had a chance to pick on Marty's pickin' and he played so good you couldn't find much fault and went right back too pickin on him. I think he has "MOONED" all and got away with it.

Sounded good too me Marty

Ray

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Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 8:45 am

Bobbe, you are probably correct about meeting people in person. I can honestly say that I have liked EVERYONE I have ever met in person who I first met on the Forum--friend and "foe" alike.

Weirauch met Marty in St. Louis and told me he was a real nice guy at the last NTSGA Jam. After returning to consciousness and getting off the floor, I said, "Wow!"

You see, Weirauch doesn't like anyone either!

I must admit that it has been a little fun messing up one of Marty's threads for a change and know there are a lot of you out there enjoying it too!

Marty, it is time to 'fess up. I am your hero! I have a wife named Robyn and now you do to. I work in the IT field and so do you. I play a MIM Telecaster and now you have one. Your an oversized guy and I am an oversized guy--OK, OK, you are tall and I am horizontally challenged. Next, I am waiting to read how you have purchased and Emmons push-pull and are hooked!

Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 8:46 am

Actually Ray, I have not heard it the clip yet. I plan to, but things are a little hectic. So you guessed wrongly.

Tim Harr · Post by **Tim Harr** » 4 Oct 2002 8:49 am

Ray,

It is obvious that you are not familliar with Mr. Pollard's subversive tactics...

You have missed it altogether...this thread has nothing to really do with his playing......and everything to do with b0b's last post.

I am sure it is an honest oversight.

My best to you sir!

TH[This message was edited by Tim Harr on 04 October 2002 at 09:52 AM.]

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 4 Oct 2002 8:52 am

I hear it somewhat like b0b does; a series of 'licks' strung together in what I feel to be an unique and interesting fashion (granted, b0b didn't say unique OR interesting). I do take exception to b0b's characterization regarding a 'country licks machine' or however he said it. Cripes, I can't even IMAGINE sounding LESS country!

The rhythm and chord progression wasn't country, but your licks would be right at home in any 3-chord country song. Any you're right, I didn't say "unique" or "interesting", because to my ear your playing was neither.

The one thing that stood out most when I retrieved it from the cutting room floor was the syncopation. That's always been a strong suit for me and I find it extremely aurally stimulating. I would love this tune even if I hadn't done it.

Oh, you mean your uncanny ability to start your stock licks on a different beats to try to make them sound different? It sounded more like mistakes than syncopation to me.

I think b0b, hesitating to designate it 'music', is extremely tunnel-visioned on his part but I can't help but feel that his critique might have been different if he had not known the players identity.

Actually, my opinion would have been the same. I am just more outspoken about it because you invited honest criticism in this topic. I don't like to hear country fills in non-country music. I'd rather hear lines that are more in keeping with the style of the song.

I do have quite a bit of chameleon in my chops, though; I tend to do what I hear other around me doing.

I'd like to hear an example of that. This track obviously doesn't demonstrate your chameleon-like chops.

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Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 8:54 am

b0b, you're a mean man after all!

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 4 Oct 2002 9:10 am

Not trying to be Devil's Advocate here, but I can tell you for sure that Marty isn't purposely trying to drive people away from the Forum, that's just an unfortunate byproduct...but he enjoys a good scrap and at the moment Frank is assisting. I know this because, unknown to y'all but I'll reveal it...remember in "State of the Forum" when b0b said "5 new members joined and an old one came back"? I'm the old one who left for a time and came back. I left not because of Marty alone, although he was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I wanted a break from the petty arguments and felt that deleting my account was the only way to keep me out of it. I emailed both Marty and b0b and explained to them why I was leaving. b0b doesn't want anyone to leave the Forum but I didn't expect Marty to email back and express regret at my leaving and being part of it. After a little time to think, I decided I'd been away long enough (and b0b helped me understand that the way to help the Forum is by staying, not by leaving). If Marty wanted to drive people out, I don't think he'd have emailed me again and said "glad to see you're back on the Forum". We know by now that Marty isn't going to say warm and fuzzy fluff for not having the guts to say what he really means, don't we? So I believe him, and I believe he doesn't want people to leave. I really think that if you don't like Marty's posts the best thing you can do is stay out of them or just don't read them (unless you also enjoy the arguement!) Deserting the Forum won't improve it. Just calm down and don't let it get to you, ignore what bugs you, stay for the positive side and contribute to it.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 04 October 2002 at 10:28 AM.]

Marty Pollard · Post by **Marty Pollard** » 4 Oct 2002 9:31 am

Geez, what a mix of emotions! NOW, I'm not so mad a Frank but, BOY, am I pissed at Tim and b0b!

Frank, I'll have to fight with you later, dude, ok? I've got bigger fish to fry!

Tim, what on earth are you jabbering about? Don't presume to know my intentions. Especially when there's NO reason to assume this thread is (or was) about anything but reviewing the song (or series of tired, misplaced, country licks) I posted.

b0b, what's your trip? Who quit and what's their whiney, pathetic reason? And are you really gonna tell me that I did something on this thread I shouldn't have?

And besides, what the ^#%$ are you doing joining everyone else in dragging the the thread off-topic?
Fine example.

And in your frustration, you're showing I'm right about the motivation behind your critique. I've bought lots worse product out of your catalogue. It's fine to not like it but you're deliberately trying to be mean.
It'll take more than that, though.

I'm about as sensitive as a toilet seat!

Piss away!

Chris Walke · Post by **Chris Walke** » 4 Oct 2002 9:32 am

"Another one bites the dust. Marty, is it really your intent to drive members from the Forum? I don't appreciate it at all. "

- b0b

Did someone quit? All because he got in a huff over someone he has no personal relationship said some things he doesn't like?

Weak.

Like taking your bat and leaving the game because you don't like the in-fielders' chatter.

People should take a breath, count to ten, reflect on what is good in their lives, and dive back in knowing that Marty (or anybody who's typing words on an internet bulletin board) can't put any real chinks in their armor...

...instead of quitting. How ridiculous.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 4 Oct 2002 9:45 am

I don't think quitting is ridiculous; a lot of people really can't handle confrontation and arguing. I know of another message board where right at the top it says, "Negativity will be deleted!" and they're not kidding. Still it's got some nice people but it does make you feel a bit like Big Brother's watching. It's not necessary to quit to avoid the argument, as Chris says you can take a breath and go to some other thread or even jump in there with your own calm, sensible post and contribute something positive. If you feel you must avoid it completely, take some time off, you don't need to quit.

Reggie Duncan · Post by **Reggie Duncan** » 4 Oct 2002 10:12 am

Marty, thanks for sharing.

Ray Jenkins · Post by **Ray Jenkins** » 4 Oct 2002 10:22 am

Actually Ray, I have not heard it the clip yet. I plan to, but things are a little hectic. So you guessed wrongly.

Well old dumb me.Frank,I thought Marty was giving everyone a shot at crucifing his playing(and being the shy,stand offisf type he is)posted a clip for all too hear.You haven't heard it, went right for his throat about his opinions other than the music as his post indicated.Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I disagree with Marty at times,he could care less,he has never attacked me, only my opinion,thats only because his is different.It makes for interesting posting and reading.I just open my mind and
see if I can relate to his objection and learn something.On several ocassions he just rambles on in no direction(such as the no smoking at the Texas convention)but alot of it was funny.The no smoking passed,so I assume he helped in some way

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Ray

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 4 Oct 2002 10:33 am

I don't think quitting is ridiculous; a lot of people really can't handle confrontation and arguing.

I think people need to be sensitive to the fact that there are people of all backgrounds on the other side of the screen. When you respond to someone that you don't know, it's not appropriate to use derogatory sexual, scatological or religious references. What you find humorous, others will find insulting.

Such remarks hurt the Forum. The poster gains prestige among like-minded people, but the victim walks away mortified.

Often those who leave are people who have a lot to contribute in terms of steel guitar knowledge. The net result is that the Forum becomes a place for bullies. All others are discouraged from posting.

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Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 4 Oct 2002 10:38 am

I finally got a chance to hear it and I would rather speak with Robyn...

Creativity: 7 - I like the progression and what Robyn is doing and the licks and approach you took is something to build on. If you went back and re-recorded it, then you would have even better ideas. When you started off, I thought you were going to do a bunch of PF-type licks, which would have been fine, but ironic for you!

Technique: 8 - You score real high here because I can hear the sound of experience--No timidness in the playing. I like that.

Tone: 2 - Too thin unless you were going for that on purpose, for the effect. You need an Emmons. Really.

Overall Impresssion: If you were to make a CD of your own playing, then a re-recorded version of this tune must go on it.

Did I mention that I wanted to hear from Robyn?

Ray Jenkins · Post by **Ray Jenkins** » 4 Oct 2002 10:52 am

You need an Emmons. Really

Frank,I'll agree with anybody on that quote

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Also very nice observation.Trouble is with comments like that about Marty,you may start too get along.There goes goes our good reading.

Ray

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Tim Harr · Post by **Tim Harr** » 4 Oct 2002 11:09 am

It would be great to see b0b "piss" your membership to this forum away..

As I understand it, membership is not a right it is a privilege...

You do nothing but incite aggression by consistantly making the comments you make...

What do I care? ..I don't ..I just thought somebody should say instead of just 'dancing around it'

If you spent the time on your axe that you spend on cutting down others...we would maybe hear your musical efforts somewhere else but on this forum...?

Don't get mad ...it is your thread solicting input on your steel playing

Bobbe says just laugh you off....you are not funny.

John Steele (deceased) · Post by **John Steele (deceased)** » 4 Oct 2002 11:36 am

Nice to hear you, Marty.
You seem to have good command of the instrument, and your intonation is good. Those are the two biggest things I struggle with.
To be balanced, I would submit that your tone is a little thin for my taste... and, true to form, I must also point out that the use of the natural ninth on any V chord in a minor key is jarring to the ears.
(you go from root to 9th and back on the V). (I think it's an A chord) Flat 9 might be preferable, do you ever use it ?
I've always held that there are qualities in a person's playing which are inherent in their personality. I, like Frank, was not surprised to hear the confidence of a canal horse.

-John [This message was edited by John Steele on 04 October 2002 at 12:42 PM.]