Phil Spector arrested for murder.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 7 Feb 2003 6:24 pm

Hey Jason, go back and read what Mike wrote in his first post----"I hope he's proven innocent." Perhaps an unfortunate, unthinking choice of words, but since he lives in Los Angeles, and given THAT court's track record with celebrity murder trials, who's to say. I don't know Mike, and I'm not trying any character assassination here, but I like to see justice done, every once in a while.
A dead lady was found in Spector's house. Spector was arrested for the murder. SOMEBODY killed her, if Spector didn't do it, maybe he can give some of Ronnie's royalties to that ace investigator, O.J. Simpson, to help find the killer.
So Jason, my man, why don't you AND Mike go back and read that post, and try again.

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 7 Feb 2003 7:42 pm

Hmmmm

someone seems to have some issues here.....

I'm with Jason. I think we ALL know what Mike meant. I see no need for him to defend his choice of words to anyone. Or apologize for them-if that's what you're getting at.

I'd like to find that Spector is innocent as well-but that's not looking so good right now.

And OJ just temporarily lucked out. The prosecution bungled their job, and he walked. But sooner or later he's gonna come face to face with a Higher Authority than a jury of his peers, and he'll get his then.

That's not Mike's fault either....

JB

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Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 7 Feb 2003 8:19 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>OJ just temporarily lucked out...
That's not Mike's fault either....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is of course true, but as some of you already know, I was on jury duty on another murder case just down the hall from OJ at the time if his trial.

The story actually begins in late February or early March of '94, before the murders even took place. I received a notice to serve on jury duty. Because I was planning to go to the TSGA show (which I attrended) and the convention (which I wound up missing), I asked for and received a postponement. I was scheduled to report in at the L.A. Country Criminal Courts building on September 26.

Of course, the murders occurred on June 12th. the slow speed chase took place on the 17th, and after the subsequent arrest, trial was set for- you guessed it, the L.A. Country Criminal Courts building on September 26, the day I was to report.

So on that day, put on my "juror" badge and reported for duty.

Now the juror parking lot is about 2 blocks from the actual courthouse, so all jurors except the handicapped must walk those 2 blocks. When I was about a block away from the courthouse a swarm of reporters descended on me to ask about the Simpson case. The first day I told them I didn't know where I'd be assigned. Subsequently I told them I was on a different case, and they ran away so fast it was as if had I told them I had the plague and was contagious.

Next I saw the hucksters, selling OJ Simpson T shirts and bumper stickers. Then, directly outside the building, in addition to the TV news crews, there were some show biz wannabees, folk singers singing about how OJ was a political prisoner who was being framed. Then there were those who were gathering signatures for some petition. And finally there were the missionaries, trying to get people to convert to Christianity, shouting through megaphones in both English and Spanish, that we all had to embrace Jesus as out personal savior.

One of these was shouting that Jesus never had sex in his life and if we were to go to heaven, we all had to renounce sex forever. All I can say is that it this man was trying to convert me, this was not the best way to do it.

Once inside the building, I was immediately assigned to a different case. I was physically close to the Simpson proceedings, but I never was interviewed for it. The case I did sit on was another murder case. The defendant had already been convicted for two rape-murders and sent to prison, where he escaped and subsequently raped two more women and killed one of them. He stabbed the second, but she survived and testified.

There was one woman in her late 20's or early 30's on the jury, and at one point the defendant stared at her and smiled, as if to say "you're next". The poor woman was terrified.

We were all shocked at the details of this man's crimes as they were told to us, and then, during lunch breaks and again at the close of the day, while we were trying to digest what we heard inside the courtroom, we all witnessed the circus outside. It was a truly surrealistic experience.

We never got to deliberate the case. After 4 days we were thanked and dismissed, and the guy was led away in handcuffs. We all decided that the guy was guilty and would have voted so, but we were never given the chance, and we were never told what happened. But somebody pointed out that no matter what we did, it wouldn't have made any difference. the guy was an escaped prisoner, serving a life sentence anyway. There was no way he was going to be set free, even if we had acquitted him.

The post script to the story is that since the trial was not brought to a conclusion, we had not met our obligation to serve, so I had to sit around for another week, without ever being called for another trial. I took the opportunity to read "Interview With The Vampire."

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Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 7 Feb 2003 10:45 pm

Just curious -- how did the prosecutors bungle the OJ case? I wasn't at the trial, but from what I know the prosecution produced evidence that OJ's blood was found at the scene of the crime; his bloody shoe prints were found at the scene of the crime; at least one of the victim's blood was found on OJ's clothing; one of his gloves was found at the scene of the crime (I think); Good Grief!! what do want, a confession?

Eric Myers · Post by **Eric Myers** » 7 Feb 2003 11:10 pm

One of these was shouting that Jesus never had sex in his life and if we were to go to heaven, we all had to renounce sex forever

Now theres a religion that wouldnt last more than 1 generation...........

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 7 Feb 2003 11:53 pm

Hi Tom

The prosecution had a ton of evidence they never managed to get admitted-mostly due to how it was handled after being taken in as evidence. The glove thing was a fiasco-they should never have had him try it on-it didn't fit. From what I've read, the prosecution team fought each other like cats and dogs every step of the way as well. Ultimately, what appeared to be an airtight case unraveled, as they did not anticipate having any trouble at all, and so planned for none. That mountain of evidence we all know they had mostly never made it into record. Really poorly handled, from what I've read. Bu those gloves really messed them up.

JB

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Craig Stock · Post by **Craig Stock** » 8 Feb 2003 4:00 am

I can be very difficult to put on shrunken blood-soaked gloves, with your hand spread open like a starfish also. That was not a good choice JB, I agree.

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Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 8 Feb 2003 6:42 am

Cripes, what didn't got wrong with the O.J. prosecution?

At the crime scene, let me see, it was contaminated from the get go. There was a whole series of detectives, flunkies, junior cops, medics, you name it; walking in and out of a so-called secure crime scene. Bearing in mind that the front path and entrance to the house also had genetic physical evidence which was continually walked in and out of the property, the body was taken out on a gurney and rolled through blood stains on the way in (empty) and out (full).
This pretty much violated the whole crime scene, a total shambles.

The bloody partial print in the car was another one, and it seems that in an attempt to make up for the evidence which was contaminated, someone may have decided to plant a print, but it ended up in a place where it was only possible to have been made if the car had been dissasembled during O.J.s alleged leaving of the crime scene. So in other words, while the car had been pulled apart, someone slapped on the print and forgot to check where it would actually end up. whoops!

The defence had a field day with a lot of this stuff, and the big thing is that with so much little physical evidence being admissable, it really screwed things up.
The gloves, oh man.. what a debacle!
Celebrity cases tend to bring a lot of focus on a lot of stuff that may or may not be relevant, and in many cases there's a real push to get it over and done with. At least it seems that way.

I wonder if anyone checked Phil for physical residue from recently firing a handgun? ... makes you wonder.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 8 Feb 2003 6:47 am

Oh, and Stephen.. settle down dude.[This message was edited by Jason Odd on 08 February 2003 at 06:49 AM.]

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 8 Feb 2003 8:14 am

It may be politically incorrect to say this, but in O.J. case, the fact that he had an all black jury also had a lot to do with his acquittal. Many African Americans felt they HAD to support O.J., no matter what.

I have a black friend who is one of the few African Americans to come out and say that he was guilty, and he got all sorts of crap from other Blacks for doing so. He was called a traitor among other things.

There are also some who think O/J. really was guilty, but it was OK for him to get off because his victims were white, and in the past there have been may instances where whites killed black and got away with it.

I say that's racist bulls--t. Racist crap is racist crap, regardless of where it comes from and who it's directed at. And Johnnie Cochran, and the idiots who excused the verdict for that reasons, set race relations back 20 years.

The day after the verdict there was a graffito in a wall on Sunset Blvd near O.J.'s home that said "The n----r did it" and some young black woman was on TV in tears asking why the write used that word. Why didn't he just say that O.J. did it. Why did he make it a racial thing, etc.

Given what happened, what did she expect?

Meanwhile: with apologies to Dr Seuss:

I did not kill my lovely wife.
I did not slash her with a knife.
I did not bonk her on the head.
I did not know that she was dead.

I stayed at home that fateful night.
I took a cab, then took a flight.
The bag I had was just for me.
My bag! My bag! Hey, leave it be.

When I came home I had a gash.
My hand was cut from broken glass.
I cut my hand on broken glass.
A broken glass did cause that gash.

I have nothing, nothing to hide.
My friend, he took me for a ride.
All through LA, from side to side.
From north to south, we took a ride.

Did you take this person's life?
Did you do it with a knife?
I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not, kill my wife.

Did you do this awful crime?
Did you do this anytime?
I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not, anytime.

Did you hit her from above?
Did you drop this bloody glove?
I did not hit her from above.
I cannot even wear that glove.

I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not, kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not, anytime.

The glove you see it doesn't fit
The lawyer says you must acquit
Acquit because the cops all lied
Acquit, acquit the lawyer cried

My trial lasted for a year.
A year! A year! Just sitting here!
The DNA, the HEM, the HAW!
The circus-hype the viewers saw!

The jury came back verdict in hand
and silence fell across the land
Not guilty, not guilty they did decree
Not guilty, not guilty, now set him free.

And now I'm free, I can return
To my house for which I yearn.
And to my family whom I love.
Now would you please return my glove!!

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 8 Feb 2003 8:22 am

Well, I admit -- I'm not a cop and I don't know about the intricacies of crime scene investigation. But, from what I watched of the trial on TV, I believe (and so do a majority of Americans) that there was more than sufficient evidence presented by the prosecution to convict. I can't how the contention that junior cops (or whoever) walked through the crime scene would have any impact on the validity of whether the blood was OJ's or not -- it either is or it isn't. Somebody walking through the crime scene isn't going to change it. It was proven that OJ had a knife cut on his hand. With regard to the gloves -- it was shown that OJ once owned a pair of gloves exactly like the one recovered by the cops, one of the gloves was recovered at the crime scene and one was recovered at OJ's house near the place where Kato heard the "thump" against the house late at night near the end of the time period that OJ could not account for his whereabouts. Any reasonable person would know that OJ surely is going to do everything he can to show the gloves were not his. Many such things can be done: he can trained how to make it look like he can't get them on; he can take medication or irritate his hands so they swell slightly. Besides, I don't think any reasonable juror would need to see OJ actually put on the gloves for that evidence to have weighed heavily against him. How did the victim's blood get on OJ's sock that the cops recovered from his house? I suppose the cops planted that too, eh? Yup, it's all a big conspiracy.

I'll say what most people think -- that most (if not all) of the jurors were smooth-brained morons who let OJ's status and race get in the way of their duty as citizens to see that justice was done.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 8 Feb 2003 3:22 pm

I can see that this has topic has strayed from anything remotely related to music. I don't know why it suddenly went from music producer Phil Specter to O J Simpson, but it did.

Off Topic. I'm closing it now.

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