The Lowdown on Lipsynch at the Super Bowl

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 10:15 am

Here's a story
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sun/arts/news_1a26varga.html

There you have it...

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Richard Bass · Post by **Richard Bass** » 28 Jan 2003 11:19 am

Thanks for posting the article.
Richard

Smiley Roberts · Post by **Smiley Roberts** » 28 Jan 2003 11:21 am

I've heard that,whenever you go to a Reba or Garth concert,that they are doing just that.
That is,singing live to tracks,& the "band" is just "pick-sync-ing".(goin' through the motions). I know,FOR A FACT,that's what Vern Gosdin does!

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Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 28 Jan 2003 11:35 am

Hmmm. The organization that has figured out how to mic the coach into the QB's helmet can't go wireless to give them time for the line checks...

On the other hand, I think it's great that the NFL is image concious enough to exert this kind of control over performances at their premier event. Maybe it's a little too much of "worry about the things you can control".

I don't think the NFL realizes how detectable lip synching is and that a large portion of the public considers it a bit of a scam. Maybe they should leave the sound and music issues to other professionals.

If it were me, I'd rather be criticized for pour sound conditions than for hoodwinking the public.

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 28 Jan 2003 12:18 pm

Thanks for the link. Nice inside info.

I have personal experience with a live televised awards show that was all "Live to Track", meaning the band faked it, the vocalists were live.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Jan 2003 2:26 pm

Faked is faked...period. On the other hand, they (whoever's runnin' the show) probably make 'em do it (the lip-sync thing) because they can't trust 'em. Not all performers are a class act...and we could handle it if it was a "not perfect" job, but some would try to really screw it up (on purpose), or to try to be a "smartass" and do it in a disrespectful (their own "style"?) way.

Remember Roseanne Barr's version?

Remember Jimi Hendrix's version?

We got one damn song that represents our whole Country. When and if it's ever your turn to do it, do it the best you can, and do it (EXACTLY) like it was written...or let somebody else do it!

'Nuff said.

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 2:47 pm

I can see all kinds of good reasons for lip synching the whole deal-from everyone's perspective. I don't really fault 'em for it-particularly the big acts at halftime. Nobody wants anything to go wrong, and yeah, there's NO WAY to get all that gear hooked up in 10 minutes.

And the anthem, while it's only a couple of mics, man there's a lot cables and plugs to get stepped on or have something go wrong. I don't blame Shania for synching either. You either like her or hate her, and that will determine your attitude on that. Sting, on the other hand, Had to stretch to reach the notes in "Message" when he was in his prime-he should have taped his earlier. I guarantee the band was on tape. It sounded too good. I mean-A+ and attaboy for wanting to "keep it real", but that's probably not the venue for making that kind of statement.

As an aside, in their very early days, The Dead were on a TV show in San Francisco-say "67 or something like that-and they had to lipsynch their song. Phil Lesh (Bass) was opposed, but had no choice, so in protest he played a broomstick. I have a picture of that here somewhere.
JB

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Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 28 Jan 2003 3:03 pm

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JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 3:10 pm

See, now I'll bet that in San Francisco, they HAD to let 'em do that live. And I'll bet they sang it as written, too. A little wobbly, perhaps, but honest.

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chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 28 Jan 2003 3:13 pm

Donny, with all due respect, I thought Jimi's interpretation was very powerful and it put into perpective a level of patriotism, intended or not, to 400,000 people at a time when the mood in the country was split. Whether you supported the government's position or not, it was a reminder that this is a great place to be and it said it in a way that those in attendence could hear it.

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 3:18 pm

True Chas. Hendrix's version was entirely appropriate for the venue and the audience. Roseanne's version was inappropriate anywhere.

JB

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Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 28 Jan 2003 3:39 pm

Many forget that Jimi was a past Service Man and not a Peace-nik.

His SSB always sounded violent to me. You can hear bombers and machine guns in it. I think he intended it to be that way.

sorry for the topic drift

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 28 Jan 2003 3:58 pm

Moved to 'Music' section of the Forum.

Jerry Lee Newberry · Post by **Jerry Lee Newberry** » 28 Jan 2003 4:56 pm

I think they should just do away with all the halftime stuff anyway. There's no need to go all out like that. It's just a waste of time and money that could be used for a better purpose. The game wouldn't take as long then either. Thank goodness I don't have to watch it!!!!!!!!! DONNA

Eric Myers · Post by **Eric Myers** » 28 Jan 2003 5:10 pm

>Remember Jimi Hendrix's version?

Yes - the definitive version of our anthem in my opinion - he really paints pictures and evokes emotions with the way he pulls those strings - the guy was unbelievable - tapped into something else entirely

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 28 Jan 2003 6:16 pm

Any of y'all remember when Jose Feliciano did the National Anthem at a World Series game? Must have been '66 or '67, he changed(added?)rhythm, and caught a lot of flack from it. Sorry, more topic drift......

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 28 Jan 2003 6:52 pm

Rich Weiss · Post by **Rich Weiss** » 28 Jan 2003 7:37 pm

I don't think that Sting was lipsyncing. He probably wouldn't stand for it. And I don't think the chick from No Doubt was either, at least not on the duet of 'Message In A Bottle'. But Shania was for sure. Somebody bumped into her and she stopped moving her lips but the singing continued.

[This message was edited by Rich Weiss on 28 January 2003 at 07:40 PM.]

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 28 Jan 2003 9:11 pm

Rich,
They all lipsynch. Please just shoot them.
No disrespect, but are you singing on the superbowl?

Eric Myers · Post by **Eric Myers** » 28 Jan 2003 9:32 pm

>No disrespect, but are you singing on the superbowl?

no and neither are they =)

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 28 Jan 2003 9:59 pm

Yeah, but they are on the superbowl!

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Jan 2003 10:59 pm

Guess I'm a narrow-minded old "coot", then!

You see, personally, I never thought the Hendrix version was "powerful". I thought it was terrible. "Fit the venue"? Nope, I still think it was trash...just like Roseanne's version...they both did a parody of the song. I've also heard many singers (Jose included) try to "personalize", and dress up the song, by singing most of the four-letter words (like L-A-N-D and F-R-E-E) with five notes and as many syllables. Give me a break.

Look, you wanna "jazz up" a song? Be my guest. Any song but this song! Have a little respect.

I realize many are against me on this. It's my own opinion, nothing more. It's a personal thing.

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 28 Jan 2003 11:13 pm

Donny, I'm not against you at all, you have a right to your opinion, I'm sure that you have reasons, and I respect them.

Eric Myers · Post by **Eric Myers** » 29 Jan 2003 4:57 am

>Yeah, but they are on the superbowl!

just like a lot of other products looking for commercial exposure

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 29 Jan 2003 5:34 am

And what's wrong with that? Art is for museums. These folks gotta ship product. Seriously-you'd think making money was a crime around here.

JB

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